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I am not sure about this myself. I do believe that we are all one and the same energy.

I have had thoughts that because we are energy we need to retain that level of energy to exist so we get it in many ways like from the sun or eating or from others etc.
So it may be that conciously and subconciously we draw to us what we need in order to reach the highest energy we can. So therefore it could be said that for example we get beaten up one day . This inturn say taught us something that was invaluable even though we had to experience the fight, we could have subconciously drawn that fight to ourselves because the was the only way we could recieve the energy we required from that action.
So that could say that nothing is good or bad in the world just an exchange of energy that unfortunately has been misunderstood, who knows I like to ramble a lot and if this does not make any sense well I get that a lot also .

As for the force outside ourselves that cannot really exist for if we are one energy made up off the exact same thing as trees, your friend etc then the outside force is actually energy itself and it is us that manipulates that energy.

Any ideas on destiny ?????

We create our own destiny. Believing an outside force will help people leads to a whole lot of doing nothing.

Destiny becomes destiny once it has happened. It's a catch-22. I have a "destiny", but no idea what it is. The future is not a fixed point for anyone.

It's a concept we have of something that doesn't exist but we need to name and think about.

Even after an event occurs, you can rewrite your own personal story until the cows come home and have so many different narratives about what happened, who you are, became, did. If the past is not fixed (just start trying to tell the story of WWII and think of the different narratives people have depending on country), certainly the future is not either.

There are many ways to look at this..

Is there an outside force that helps us? Has someone ever helped you, in any way? I think you have your answer EXPECTING that help becomes something quite different though!

i seem to be using this a lot lately... but its good nonetheless! Our fingers do not think of themselves seperately, but when one breaks, do they all? They are all part of the one hand though. And that is part of your arm, which is part of your torso, which is part of your body. Such ideas are universal.

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As for the force outside ourselves that cannot really exist for if we are one energy made up off the exact same thing as trees, your friend etc then the outside force is actually energy itself and it is us that manipulates that energy.

What you are speaking of is energy manipulating itself. If, as you say, everything is energy, then it can be no different.

I also see you use "we" are all energy, instead of "everything" is energy. Any reasons? There is no judgment here, but there is certainly curiosity!

I believe, on this plane (new age speak! watch out! ), our paths are set. We make all of our choices, but that certainly doesnt mean it wasnt written that way. "time" is essentially static, and we move through it, not the other way around.. I do not see "time" aging...

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Even after an event occurs, you can rewrite your own personal story until the cows come home and have so many different narratives about what happened, who you are, became, did. If the past is not fixed

If i broke my leg when i was 10, but decided now to just scratch that one out, would that truly change what happened? If i experience something as a young child, but do not remember it, does that mean it never happened? In my "reality," most certainly, but that perspective is incorrect (but valid). Back to the fingers! If i cut my finger, and it doesnt leave a scar, that finger does not "remember" it. My mind certainly does though! The collective conscious experience of what happened, is exactly what happened.

Well, true, concrete events are not so rewritable. You will or won't break your leg on March 15 this year, for instance.

But the larger thing we talk about when we talk about destiny and future and what happens to us and identity are more difficult things to pin down firmly, and are rewritable.

"I broke my leg when I was 10 and it sucked. No one visited me because we'd just moved, I didn't have any friends then. When I got back to school after being out for 4 weeks the other kids had already made close friends, no one would hang out with the kid with a cast. It stands out in my memory as a lonely time."

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"I broke my leg when I was 10. I missed a lot of school and had no one to talk to. But I had a chance to spend a lot of time with my mom. She was busy taking care of my baby brother, but she would play cards with me almost everyday when he took a nap. I didn't care about her company so much then, but she never had that kind of time for me later. Now that she's passed on, I realize how much that time with her meant to me. I would give anything to play cards with her again for 15 minutes."

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"I broke my leg when I was 10. I missed a lot of school and had no one to talk to. I was forced to read a lot because I was so bored. And I got to spend more time with my mom than I ever got a chance to later when she went back to work. When we talked she'd tell me stories about our family. There was a lot in between the lines, I could sense then and learned later, about the skeletons in the family closet. I'd say that the combination of reading all day and thinking about what people don't say is why I write books now."


I know that's hokey, but just trying to show the multiple narrative thing in terms of how the same event can be re-remembered/rewritten as:

1. A lonely and isolating event
2. Building intimacy with a parent
3. Central to a career decision

Or it's all of these things, they're all correct. Or it's none of them. It's just a broken leg. But we don't generally move through life without making narratives and thinking of things as more than just physical events. It's not "The bus driver yelled at me this morning." It's "That bus driver is a real asshole. I didn't do anything! Now I'm pissed off. Some people are just assholes."

When we talk destiny, we don't mean it as it's our destiny to be crossing the street in Hong Kong at 2:30 p.m. in 3 months. We mean it as "I was destined to meet my soulmate once I quit my job and started traveling Asia as I'd always wanted to". Who we realize 7 years later is not really our "soulmate", because there is no such thing.

I'm just going off, aren't I

I think I've moved from destiny to subjective reality, an altogether different topic perhaps. But it's related! I swear.

perspective can most definitely change on topics and experiences we have witnessed. That doesnt change what happened though.

The narratives are derivative, generally, from the "ego." When we let it be, without definition, we experience truth on a deep level.

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When we talk destiny, we don't mean it as it's our destiny to be crossing the street in Hong Kong at 2:30 p.m. in 3 months. We mean it as "I was destined to meet my soulmate once I quit my job and started traveling Asia as I'd always wanted to". Who we realize 7 years later is not really our "soulmate", because there is no such thing.

I would say all of that is destiny.