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Here is a thread the discusses it

http://igougo.atinfopop.com/4/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=5544080431&f=4134032531&m=6604034162

Although I havent tried it, it looks like a really neat place for idler writers (those whose primary income isnt travel writing) to get some of there work out on the market

AIM: Livenomadic
MSN: chrisalbon@hotmail.com

Oh, and another great thing about that site.

You can sign up as a editor for free and then you can read thousands of travel articles and see how your own works compare and how much they are going for.

Awesome

AIM: Livenomadic
MSN: chrisalbon@hotmail.com

Yeah, that's a great site and I have been a member there for a while now.

Another site thatis good for writers interested in travel writing in general and to get some good info is www.travelwriters.com

Barrie Lie-Birchall

Hey legend, how many articles have you sold?

Do they sell quickly? or do they move like molassas

AIM: Livenomadic
MSN: chrisalbon@hotmail.com

Hey Legend,

From your experience, how is TravelWriters.com? I'm subscribed to their mailing list, but haven't been convinced to joining them just yet. From what I see, it seems to be a network of press trips, which I'm told unanimously by established travel editors, is a big no-no for travel writers. (Press trips are scams created by PR people to have wannabe travel writers give them free press and advertising with one-sided corporate influenced hospitality.)

LN, molasses yes. It takes time, lot of hard work and a lot of pro-bono work. But remember the mantra passed down to me from the likes of Jen Leo: "Namebuilding is most important!"

This may not have been her exact words, but you get the gist of it...I hear it over and over from many other established travel writers and editors. Put it this way; famous actors don't make it without having done stupid bit parts first.

e.

http://www.theglobaltrip.com

Thanks!

AIM: Livenomadic
MSN: chrisalbon@hotmail.com

LN, I've sold heaps of stories but the molassas factor is definitely there!. Like Erik said in his post, 'name-building' is important. Yeah I know this means sending your work to non-paying sites on the net or mags that pay a mere pittance to build your portfolio, but it does pay off. It's the same with most writing genre.

Erik, when I first joined Travelwriter.com yonks ago, it was a great site as far as learning from those pros who have 'been-there-done-that'. Most of the major posters are well-known, respected published writers. I found that it did become a bit clicky. Having said that, I have found some great resources on the site to new mags.

I suppose the only drawback with being a subscriber is that you get heaps of email. Sometimes it's 10 a day when other days it's 30!.

Barrie Lie-Birchall

For 49 bucks travelerwriters.com gives you press trip announcements... Which got me thinking.

It described the trips as all expenses paid trips. One for instance was a small boat trip to the galapagos island.

Why dont you guys do these for often? Seems like a sweet deal

AIM: Livenomadic
MSN: chrisalbon@hotmail.com

The trips are paid for because you are at the whim of the corporation paying for it.

I once went to a travel writing panel discussion in New York with the editors of Conde Naste, Blue, New York Post, Travel & Leisure, National Geographic Adventure... although they didn't agree on everything, one thing they did agree on is "press trips are bad." Press trips only ruin your credibility as a writer and make you look like a person just in it for the free trips.

e.

http://www.theglobaltrip.com

I'll be in it for the free trips

AIM: Livenomadic
MSN: chrisalbon@hotmail.com

http://main.travelwriters.com/bbs/listthread.asp?ID=536

Its about Bootsnall

AIM: Livenomadic
MSN: chrisalbon@hotmail.com

I agree with LiveNomadic. Nothing wrong with a free trip now and then! Of course, I enjoy travel too much to make it into "work." That is why I don't bother trying to sell anything or turn any of my trips into articles.

I guess my "semi-serious" is on the lesser end of the scale. I think I will check out that site...!

worldwidemike

World Wide Mike
Check out my travel web page at: http://home.earthlink.net/~mikedemana/

Ha, I've lived in America long enough to know that NOTHING is "free."

e.

http://www.theglobaltrip.com

This is an interesting thread to me and lots of good points being made...

1) Nothing is for free - true...I just went on a modified "Press Trip" in South Africa...I paid my own way to get there and some things were comp'd. Yes - I will write about those places...I don't feel bad about it or anything like that...I am sure that some writers will think it is "bad"

Newspapers and Magazines frequently don't like those press trips etc.

2) Thread on Travelwriters.com - LN - Chris (BootsnAll Chris) sent me that thread about a month ago when I was away...I was going to add to the thread over there but haven't yet... I'll take the time to do it now that I am back.

3) Namebuilding. - JenLeo and I discuss this a lot historically and Ant would frequently side with me on the subject...namebuilding is important...but at the end of the day you need to write, and submit to places that you want to be published in. If you build your name till the sun goes down and if you don't submit articles to paying gigs, you'll never get accepted.

At the end of the day - if you wanna be a travel writer - you gotta write. You gotta practice an d get better. There are so many places to submit, get feedback, potentially get paid...it is uncountable...but go for it hard core if that is what you really want.

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A note about press trips: they are only considered "bad" by the magazine editors because they often produce "brochur-ish" type work. The key when writing about a press trip is to make it in your own unique writing style...of course, this should go without say, but this is just the mentality of the magazine editor (at least here in New York).

Which brings us to the ever-important topic of NAMEBUILDING...you are more likely to be taken seriously writing about a press trip, if you and your writing style has already been established...so write write write!

And yes, don't be afraid to submit; the worst that can happen is they don't accept you.

e.

http://www.theglobaltrip.com

Totally - in fact Keener, I still side with you on namebuilding.

I just read through that thread about the article take-down request... Luckily, that hardly ever came up during my tenure, but it would now and again. As the site grows, and as more authors contribute and longer-term contributors go on the up and up, it's something to defo look at though.

A lot of it just sounds like the writer being afraid, thinking they were getting ripped off - I can sympathize; writers are a gullible lot, and there is no shortage of scams out there. What irks me, is when people know good and well that BnA isn't a paying market, but they submit, they get published, and then down the line suddenly think they can request that stuff get axed. No sense. Just because it's pixels, doesn't mean it should be chucked out on a writer's whim.

Cheers, Anthony

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So I have a question-
I read somewhere that you should only send your story to one publication at a time and wait and see if they reject/accept it. Is this true? And if they accept it, does this mean you can never submit it to anything else again?

Jen,

I think that depends on what agreement you enter into with the publishers. For example, here on BnA it's non-exclusive agreement - so they are OK if your story has been published elsewhere before or after being on here. But if your story is on here you couldn't give someone else and exclusive deal.

You also have to be sure whether you've given up copyright to the publisher i.e. do you still own the right to submit it elsewhere. Again for example BnA do not take the copyright it remains vested in the author.

Hope this helps a little. Probably other more experienced writers can give you a better insight.

Travel well and return home safely,


simplyjond
www.simplyjond.com - Tales & Things for Frequent Travelers

You can query more than one publication at a time, but it's considered very unprofessional to send out multiple manuscripts.

Most magazines will ask for the first serial rights.

From Writer's Encyclopedia

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Rights are sold to editors and publishers in varying forms and degrees. An established writer usually has more power to negotiate than a novice does; nevertheless, any writer should try to avoid, in most instances, selling all rights to a piece of work. The kinds of rights most commonly sold to magazine editors are outlined below.

First serial rights are sold to periodicals (serials). Included in these rights is the agreement that the periodical will be the first publisher of the material. First serial rights can be restricted to include a particular area; e.g., modified versions are first North American serial rights and first U.S. serial rights.

Second serial (reprint) rights are rights sold to a newspaper or magazine with an article, story or poem that has previously been published in another periodical. An excerpt from a published book, regardless of whether it was previously published in a periodical, will also customarily be sold to a periodical with second serial (reprint) rights.

Foreign serial rights, rights sold to a market abroad, can be sold by a writer—provided he still has the rights. For example, if a writer has sold first U.S. serial rights to an American magazine, he is free to market the same piece in Europe; if, however, a U.S. publisher has purchased "first serial rights," without any geographical limiting phrase, the publisher may have foreign editions and be assuming he has ensured that he will be the first to publish it in any country in the world.

The term syndication rights refers to rights sold to a syndicate under the term "serial rights." A book published in installments in several newspapers, for example, would be placed under this category. If the newspaper installments appeared before the book's publication, the author would be syndicating first serial rights to the book; if the installments appeared after publication, he would be syndicating second serial rights.

Simultaneous rights are rights sold to two publishers (whose circulations do not compete) at the same time. The publisher who owns several magazines might also buy simultaneous rights to use the same piece in two or three of his publications. When a piece is being submitted to more than one publication simultaneously, it is best to advise the editors accordingly.

When an editor buys all rights to a piece, the writer loses his right to sell it to another publisher. A work-for-hire agreement is one that includes the writer's selling of all rights in addition to the copyright.

A writer can also sell rights to his work to other media, namely theater, TV and film. Dramatic rights, TV rights and motion picture rights are often offered at a percentage of the total price as an option to buy for a specific period of time. The property is then brought to the attention of people in the industry—actors, directors, studios or TV networks—for possible production.

The copyright law that took effect January 1, 1978, provides the creator of a piece of writing with all rights as soon as the work is complete. The creator may sell all or part of those rights, but the power to decide which belongs to him.

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Thanks guys!